No, the idea at the time was that Beyonder was just a really strong Inhuman mutant hybrid. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. Thanks. Current MM is trash though. Name: Molecule Man, Owen Reece Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Human ascended by being exposed to the power of The Beyonder | Human ascended by being exposed to the power of a cosmic cube | Multiversal singularity. It. Thusly Beyonder would be "stronger" than them as well. Molecule Man Owen Reece Earth-616. Part of the energy from the dimension escapes and imbues Reece with near-infinite powers, which he wields as the villainous Molecule Man . The entire universe would have to attack at once and then it would stalemate as all universes are essentially equal in power and being constructed of energy immortal for our purposes. Wasn't he right underneath TOAA? The Beyonder is the sum total of a parallel reality called the Beyond-Realm or simply "Beyond", hence the name "Beyonder". The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers of Inhuman-Mutant Beyonder weren't the real deal, and were merely fodder creations that looked like them, which the Beyonder originally created with his imagination to keep himself occupied. LT wins. Its just not possible. [url=https://www.superherodb.com/beyonder-vs-molecule-man/90-127983/][/url], https://www.superherodb.com/beyonder-vs-molecule-man/90-127983/. But HoTU, now that might be a game changer. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. 1. Molecule man and even the infinity guantlet are still items and beings WITHIN a universe, so its like saying two pieces of a universe could defeat a entire universe. Is there credibility to this, to your knowledge? Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Molecule Man - vs - Beyonder # 12.4 K. Molecule Man How tf Beyonders does have 1 vote? Answer: He's really powerful, he ranges from universal to multiversal levels of power across the comics. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. But the bigger the difference in Class is, the more obvious it is who'll win in a fight. 492B. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. 2022 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight. This dimension is accidentally accessed by nebbishy lab technician Owen Reece. The One Above All (TOAA), The Heart of the Universe (HOTU, TOAA's power) as invented by Stan Lee is the entirety of the marvel universe manifest as a fractal representation of the universe, which would make TOAA a even match for Beyonder. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. No glove, cosmic cubes or power will change that. The original thread seems to be this: http://www.comicvine.com/beyonder/4005-10300/forums/beyonder-retconned-himself-not-toaa-1612896/. The OP is kind of hard to understand, I don't think English is their first language. This doesn't mean that a higher class would always beat a lower class character. @lowlaville: I'm pretty sure he has not shown any thing he can do with someones soul. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. Although Spider-Man did recreate the universe, Cosmic Cubes were easily multiversal in terms of power. Composite feats from all Marvel Canons. So basically any version of the Beyonder that we see is simply the version he wishes to be at any given time, meaning he still has the power he had during Secret Wars. But I've read in other topics that the Beyonder is the one who retconned himself both times which apparently makes the retcons invalid since he's the one who did it in the first place, meaning he has the power to unretcon himself, meaning he's still as powerful as he was when he was busting billions of dimensions and the like. MM gave Beyonder a fight on his own, the others were nothing more than insects. [url=https://www.superherodb.com/beyonder-vs-molecule-man-power-of-beyonders/90-439300/][/url], https://www.superherodb.com/beyonder-vs-molecule-man-power-of-beyonders/90-439300/. Beyonder is NOT a being, he is a ENTIRE universe that was UNMANIFEST. So it conceivable that Beyonder would win in a skirmish but would eventually stalemate as both universes can not effectively defeat each as each universe is immortal and can only be reordered or changed in form, frequency or energy type. Molecule Man wins! 2. 2.- featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3.-. AkhilPDX 3 y 9 mo 15 d. Beyonder & Molecule Man - vs - Team Multi-Eternity (7th Cosmos) #. @ordinaryalan: I don't even know where that quote that he retconned himself is from, I couldn't find it anywhere. 588B. So Molecule Man sort of wins by default. Beyonder wins! About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Beyonder Ivory King Earth-616. molecule man have the power of the beyonders as he is the source of the powers of god emperor doom whom powers were those of the beyonders as he absorbed their powers however the beyonders were were just using avatars,beyonder as well the whole beyonders and owen recreating the 8th cosmos was just their experiment Come Join The Discord: https://discord.gg/wdNQhJEBecome a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/comicsexplainedSecret Wars II is a nine-issue comic book limited se. @ordinaryalan@baron_von_santa Confirmed the authenticity of the quote. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. molecule man have the power of the beyonders as he is the source of the powers of god emperor doom whom powers were those of the beyonders as he absorbed their powers however the beyonders were were just using avatars,beyonder as well the whole beyonders and owen recreating the 8th cosmos was just their experiment Le. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. I'm aware of the quote, and I've done research, however, I cannot authenticate it. The Beyonder is an imperfect Cosmic Cube, which the Gauntlet has the edge on by a considerable margin. I think they are going to use him in the Infinity Gauntlet movie is the whole reason they did this. Current Molecule Man is a Cosmic Cube. Molecule Man was so goddam powerful that, in Secret Wars 2, all the Elders of the Universe had to. LT has been shown to be both. Beyonder's is centralized and focused on one point in one individual. Wow thats pretty cool, I had no idea either. | Class: https://www.superherodb.com/beyonder-post-retcon/10-14042/. This doesn't mean that a higher class would always beat a lower class character. " The LT begged Molecule Man.. This fight will probably span the course of 1 trillion years, but after that, Beyonder will probably win. God Emperor Doom Victor Von Doom Earth-616. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. People just don't know the old history of neither the Molecule Man nor the Infinity Gems. Molecule Man wins! However while TOAA is manifest in the entire universe his power is not focused or centralized. 3.3T. Go to http://www.dollarshaveclub.com/comicsexplained and get a one month membership of ANY razor for $1. molecule man have the power of the beyonders as he is the source of the powers of god emperor doom whom powers were those of the beyonders as he absorbed their powers however the beyonders were were just using avatars,beyonder as well the whole beyonders and owen recreating the 8th cosmos was just their experiment Maybe we could ask where it's from sometime. This topic is locked from further discussion. 28.6 K. Beyonder & Molecule Man Either solos, but has an EXTREMELY high amount of difficulty over Oblivion. @professorrespect: I know. Molecule Man wins! However, Molecule Man went toe-to-toe with Beyonder (as a previous writer stated) and that version of the Beyonder is probably the second strongest being in the entire Marvel Multiverse. Molecule Man Casual I think this may be the high marvel tier match I was looking for. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. He never died, he simply changed form. We. @mysticmedivh: really? MM has at least feats worth talking about as compared to Inhuman Beyonder, who was just basic matter manip. It's just a line of words originally posted by saint Sophie. Molecule Man wins! 3. 1. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Creation of The Beyonders Powers and Abilities: General Abilities Resistances Official Superhero Database stats. I'm confused, what's being argued here? 3. In the old secret wars he was the counterpart to The Beyonder who was more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Question: What can Infinity Gauntlet do that MM cant? | Class. The character The Brothers, unlike Beyonder who is a entire universe represent the yin and yang WITHIN a universe the polarities. @professorrespect: But doesn't inhuman Beyonder have the same power as regular Beyonder since he retconned himself? All out, no holds barred, fight to the death. Official Superhero Database stats. Yet he can plague and kill an entire universe with his powers. Molecule-Man is superior to characters like that aswell. So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. Seemingly by the same margin if his wording is anything to go by. Molecule Man wins! He never died, he simply changed form. !SUBS. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. No argument can be put up for the Beyonder. He first appeared in Fantastic Four #20 in November 1963 and was created by Stan Lee and Jack. However while TOAA is manifest in the entire universe his power is not focused or centralized. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Official Superhero Database stats. Oh, so the power of the Infinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities of Molecule Man, who Illuminarch said: Oh, so the power of the Infinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities of Molecule DC_Marvel_1000 said: Illuminarch said: Oh, so the power of the Infinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities Are you actually contending that Molecule Man is more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet? 3. ok here is the most comprehensive answer. Molecule Man compared to Beyonder is like comparing Captain America to Molecule Man, the difference in power is unconceivable, so basically adding IG to MM, is like giving Captain America a 2nd shield to fight Living Tribunal and hoping it will be enough (see scan beneath), How can beyonder be stronger than toaa if its said that he is stronger than EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in the marvel universe put together also isn't the living tribunal 2nd in command after toaa ? ta. Both Pre-Retcon You know the drill. It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting. Molecule Man was only retconned once, meaning his feats from the eighties still count. One user posted a cropped piece of text and claimed it was such. Living Tribunal >>>>Infinity Gauntlet, and Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>Living Tribunal (see scan beneath), so : Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Infinity Gauntlet, therefore IG will add MM nothing more what can add a tiny ant to an elephant to tank an exploding H-bomb. EmptyHand 3 y 9 mo 15 d. Beyonder & Molecule Man - vs - Team Multi-Eternity (7th Cosmos) #. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his . This doesn't mean that a higher class would always beat a lower class character. 18 K. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. 1.-. The same can be said of several characters who are universal level or higher. | Class. Molecule Man also strikes fear in the heart of incredibly powerful beings such as Galactus. Beyonder cannot beat TOAA. Molecule Man wins! LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. Much like what happened to Beyonder when he became manifest into a whole universe with planets etc. He loses because TOAA can erase him out of existence if it wanted to, but because TOAA is neutral, it does not. @professorrespect: I know. It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting. FREE shipping, no commitments, cancel anytime! The retcon stuff and Cosmic Cube arc were written out at the time. It's legit. @kool_chris: eternity is like a bug next to the sun that is the beyonder, @baron_von_santa: More like an atom to a universe. Beyonder vs Molecule Man # 12.2 K Molecule Man Nah, definitely the pre-retcon Beyonder is the damn strongest version of him and in fact overpowers almost everyone in Marvel, this would be a current Beyonder that still remains inferior to a current base MM Ma. Please support your answer with a little explanation. Can I see the proof? So it conceivable that Beyonder would win in a skirmish but would eventually stalemate as both universes can not effectively defeat each as each universe is immortal and can only be reordered or changed in form, frequency or energy type. whose own avatar (not even her real self) absorbed the entire dc multiverse and was only countered because the. Beyonder's is centralized and focused on one point in one individual. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. I could not find any related sources, the full uncropped scan, nor could I find the same quote when typing in the exact words given. 2022 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. Molecule Man wins! I'll look into it again and see if I can find something. The One Above All (TOAA), The Heart of the Universe (HOTU, TOAA's power) as invented by Stan Lee is the entirety of the marvel universe manifest as a fractal representation of the universe, which would make TOAA a even match for Beyonder. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Infinite neutral plain tanks all hits, no planetary or universal destruction 11 comments 83% Upvoted This thread is archived Mad Jim Jaspers is only a part of a single universe. So it's true after all. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Molecule man VS Beyonder - YouTube Molecule man VS Beyonder Mask Man 221 Dislike 24 Share Part 2- Result out now #shorts #giant #effect #faffashorts Faffapix Shorts Like Dislike Comment. Last I heard, the Gauntlet gave nearly total mastery over creation. Beyonder vs Molecule Man (Power Of Beyonders) - Battle - Superhero Database Browse AD FREE for less than 84 a month with an SHDb membership. Inifinity gems are part of the very construct of the universe, MoleculeMan already gathered all the power existing in the multiverse and still didn't have enough power to just create Beyonder-proof dome (see scan beneath), 3. Both Bloodlusted. Thank you. Beyonder represented his entire multiverse in entirety. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is in fact much stronger than Molecule Man. http://www.comicvine.com/beyonder/4005-10300/forums/beyonder-retconned-himself-not-toaa-1612896/. But the bigger the difference in Class is, the more obvious it is who'll win in a fight. Much like what happened to Beyonder when he became manifest into a whole universe with planets etc. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). I don't see how beyonder beats them , can beyonder beat eternity since he is a universe. MoleculeMan is the most powerful being in MU. The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight. 2. Molecule Man wins! team class. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. not to mention pralaya. wait.sorry for not knowing this..but how has the Molecule man "come back" from his apparent "defeat" at the hands of Sentry? The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Are we talking about PR Beyonder? Molecule Man is a fictional character appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Protege Protege. " Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient. The Current Mutant Inhuman Beyonder is featless. @mysticmedivh: Wow. Current Molecule Man is weak and was beaten by Sentry, IIRC. 511B. But the bigger the difference in Class is, the more obvious it is who'll win in a fight. Wasent when Beyonder fought Molecule man, everybody jumped on and attacked Beyonder, still he kicked them away in a whim? Beyonder vs Molecule Man (Power Of Beyonders) Created by Tyrannus login to vote 6 / 22.2% Beyonder Earth-616 588B SHDb uStats Intelligence 100 Strength 100 Speed Durability 100 Power 100 Combat 100 Tier 9 Molecule Man wins! Molecule Man wins! Beyonder is a plot device and the pr beyonder is as strong or stronger than toaa beyonder wins with 1 finger. Cool stuff. Probably MM if he's PR, he actually fought with PR Beyonder, and PR can blink IH Beyonder. [url=https://www.superherodb.com/molecule-man-vs-beyonder/90-385102/][/url], https://www.superherodb.com/molecule-man-vs-beyonder/90-385102/. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers of Inhuman-Mutant Beyonder weren't the real deal, and were merely fodder creations that looked like them, which the Beyonder . Cool. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. If this is PRB we are talking about, he would solo regardless. In a different moment in some comic, Owen Reece (to Captain America) says that he is unbelievably more powerful than Captain America and that the Beyonder is unbelievably more powerful than him. In the new secret wars, he was revealed to be a creation of The Beyonders who pl. Current MM is trash though. Though in a what if where the Illuminati manage to piss him off he manages to effortlessly destroy the Earth and everything. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. 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